Jay Klug
BOOKEDHARDListen forThe most technically prepared homeowner in the corpus — he'd built his own spreadsheet comparing PPA escalator rates against utility rate history before the call. Listen for how Josh handles being fact-checked in real time rather than talking over him.
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HOMEOWNER2:57
Oh, I definitely need a battery that you can't with, with the new Ms with an M3 battery. You without a battery, it's a joke. It's a waste.
AGENT3:10
Oh, yeah, it is. It is, I, that's why I, I always recommend California, Edison homeowners to get it. Um, but a lot of people think like, oh, you're just trying to give me a battery pack. I'm like, no, like you, you, you really should move forward with it because you're not getting your money's worth. Yeah.
HOMEOWNER3:29
Yeah, I I've run, I've run the numbers on this and I've got a whole spreadsheet, I put together and and the, the, you know, if I, if I take my, I'm starting at 107 now and I and I escalated up and I'm escalating, you know, I'm giving Edison significant increases over the years. I think I did an average for the next 10 years and I was giving them like
AGENT3:33
Yeah, correct. That's roughly. What they land around.
HOMEOWNER3:55
Oh, uh, 8 to 10% a year to, you know, increase and then I gave 3 and a half percent on a PPA, with 1 of the solar outfits, which is what most of you guys want per year. And I, but I started, they started at 107 and you started at, um, at most of the most of your competitors are, are wanting to go with 8 panels and they're looking, they're looking at, uh, roughly $130 a month to including the battery.
AGENT12:08pm
Yes. Correct.
HOMEOWNER3:58
And also including including upgrading my panel.
AGENT10:52
Mhm.
HOMEOWNER4:29
And, and, um, if I take that, and then I start escalating that up. Um, it it, it's, it's pretty much break. Even until I throw in that 24, 24 dollars, because when the 24 hours goes in and on Edison side, it it it you know, it doesn't do much to my Edison right because it's going to wipe the the decrease in kilowatt hour, use cost is going to is going to pretty much cover the 24 bucks, so they continue on. But but you the solar guy gets hit with an extra 24 bucks and then that really puts me in the negative.
AGENT10:52
Mhm. Yeah.
HOMEOWNER4:43
Now, if you can tell me or show me in the numbers that I'm wrong, I'm I'm, I would like to have solar, but I have to believe that it's gonna accomplish something other than just making me feel good because I have solar.
AGENT5:42
No. Yeah, of course. I mean it sounds like you definitely did all your homework. So in regards to the system itself, you're right. If you're looking at around that minimum system, of 8, panels plus a battery pack, plus the main panel unit upgrade that could land you. Now, now that you say that you need a new main panel unit, anywhere between that, like a 100 to 150 on the high end, which of course, if California, Edison is dumping the 24 dollar increase on everyone including solar owners, right? That's when you're going to see a jump up a little bit. Now, what I could tell you that could potentially save you money in the long run is with California. Edison they went up 22% last year, they went up 20% this year and with the fires that just happened, I'm not too sure if you're aware but they are getting a lawsuit now saying that, you know, they're in charge rely in fact, reliable for it. So if that's the case in that ends up coming to fruition that, you know, they're going to get charged for it. They are going to charge California Edison homeowners for it and more than likely, what's going to happen is they're going to bump up their rate increases.
HOMEOWNER5:58
No, I understand all that. You know, you also know that they're they're planning on going back and reversing the ns2 agreements, right? And they're going to start, they're going to start hitting the people that were under Nims too. They're going to start start decreasing the payback for them.
AGENT6:10
Yeah. I mean people who are locked in under them too. I'm not too sure if they're allowed to do that since they're under a contract. Um, but with nem 3, I know that they give them a terrible right rate in regards to energy being pushed back.
HOMEOWNER6:13
M M3 is like 30 30 cents on the dollar. I think something like that.
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HOMEOWNER8:18
Hello.
AGENT0:04
Hey Jay, how are you? Josh here, reach back out.
HOMEOWNER0:06
Um, okay. Go ahead.
AGENT0:16
Good good. Yeah. Uh, I'm not too sure if you remember. I sent you over a couple of those links in regards to uh, that charge. You were talking about from California. Edison, did you ever get a chance to look at those?
HOMEOWNER0:32
Oh yeah, I'm familiar with it now and you know, they're going to put it 245% and then they're going to for those of us who aren't solar customers, they're going to reduce our kilowatt hours by between 5 and 7 cents.
AGENT0:57
Yeah, so that's on top of the 24, they're charging everyone, right? So everyone's getting charged that 2415. So that doesn't mean that bill goes down that much because roughly the average for California Edison's around 30 cents. So even if it does drop, let's just say the maximum which is 7 cents. Um moving to solar is still the better option in regards to saving you money compared to sticking with California, Edison so
HOMEOWNER1:45
You're going to have to put the numbers together and show me that because my numbers don't. Um, my my numbers say that the I I pretty much break even on the 24s and and, and the, the reductions and kill what our cost with Edison and, but if I, but if I add that $4 to your bill, whatever your bill is Then I then it it it makes a break even if, without that, that change in the way they bill. I I I think going, I was going to go solar and I was thinking it was pretty much, it was, you know, it would be, I, I'd lose a few bucks a year at the beginning, but the convenience would be worth it. And then after about 6 months, I might make a few bucks, um, a few bucks a year, not not not any big number, right? Um,
AGENT1:53
So it it really all depends exactly on how much you are averaging with California, Edison on a monthly. So do you know how much you averaged with them?
HOMEOWNER1:55
380, kilowatt hours.
AGENT2:00
Uh, in regards to a dollar signs like how much would you say you pay monthly for it?
HOMEOWNER0:38
Right now.
AGENT0:16
Yeah.
HOMEOWNER2:07
If I if I average it out for the year, it's about $107 because of the climate credits and stuff.
AGENT2:50
I'm not going to sit here and lie to you saying, you're going to see up to that 40 50, where the big homeowners save on write the 1 that's been like 300 plus, since you're averaging around 107, usually what we get customers under in regards to solar could be that 80 to 100 dollar range, but that depends on the size of the system and exactly what you need. So the fact that you're spending around 107 potentially could land you on that lower end system. Um in regards to like how many panels you need them, things like that but of course it really all depends at that point and like if you decide to move forward with like a battery pack and little things here and there, so
HOMEOWNER2:57
Oh, I definitely need a battery that you can't with, with the new Ms with an M3 battery. You without a battery, it's a joke. It's a waste.
AGENT3:10
Oh, yeah, it is. It is, I, that's why I, I always recommend California, Edison homeowners to get it. Um, but a lot of people think like, oh, you're just trying to give me a battery pack. I'm like, no, like you, you, you really should move forward with it because you're not getting your money's worth. Yeah.
HOMEOWNER3:29
Yeah, I I've run, I've run the numbers on this and I've got a whole spreadsheet, I put together and and the, the, you know, if I, if I take my, I'm starting at 107 now and I and I escalated up and I'm escalating, you know, I'm giving Edison significant increases over the years. I think I did an average for the next 10 years and I was giving them like
AGENT3:33
Yeah, correct. That's roughly. What they land around.
HOMEOWNER3:55
Oh, uh, 8 to 10% a year to, you know, increase and then I gave 3 and a half percent on a PPA, with 1 of the solar outfits, which is what most of you guys want per year. And I, but I started, they started at 107 and you started at, um, at most of the most of your competitors are, are wanting to go with 8 panels and they're looking, they're looking at, uh, roughly $130 a month to including the battery.
AGENT12:08pm
Yes. Correct.
HOMEOWNER3:58
And also including including upgrading my panel.
AGENT10:52
Mhm.
HOMEOWNER4:29
And, and, um, if I take that, and then I start escalating that up. Um, it it, it's, it's pretty much break. Even until I throw in that 24, 24 dollars, because when the 24 hours goes in and on Edison side, it it it you know, it doesn't do much to my Edison right because it's going to wipe the the decrease in kilowatt hour, use cost is going to is going to pretty much cover the 24 bucks, so they continue on. But but you the solar guy gets hit with an extra 24 bucks and then that really puts me in the negative.
AGENT10:52
Mhm. Yeah.
HOMEOWNER4:43
Now, if you can tell me or show me in the numbers that I'm wrong, I'm I'm, I would like to have solar, but I have to believe that it's gonna accomplish something other than just making me feel good because I have solar.
AGENT5:42
No. Yeah, of course. I mean it sounds like you definitely did all your homework. So in regards to the system itself, you're right. If you're looking at around that minimum system, of 8, panels plus a battery pack, plus the main panel unit upgrade that could land you. Now, now that you say that you need a new main panel unit, anywhere between that, like a 100 to 150 on the high end, which of course, if California, Edison is dumping the 24 dollar increase on everyone including solar owners, right? That's when you're going to see a jump up a little bit. Now, what I could tell you that could potentially save you money in the long run is with California. Edison they went up 22% last year, they went up 20% this year and with the fires that just happened, I'm not too sure if you're aware but they are getting a lawsuit now saying that, you know, they're in charge rely in fact, reliable for it. So if that's the case in that ends up coming to fruition that, you know, they're going to get charged for it. They are going to charge California Edison homeowners for it and more than likely, what's going to happen is they're going to bump up their rate increases.
HOMEOWNER5:58
No, I understand all that. You know, you also know that they're they're planning on going back and reversing the ns2 agreements, right? And they're going to start, they're going to start hitting the people that were under Nims too. They're going to start start decreasing the payback for them.
AGENT6:10
Yeah. I mean people who are locked in under them too. I'm not too sure if they're allowed to do that since they're under a contract. Um, but with nem 3, I know that they give them a terrible right rate in regards to energy being pushed back.
HOMEOWNER6:13
M M3 is like 30 30 cents on the dollar. I think something like that.
AGENT6:58
Yeah, no. No no, yeah, no, you're good. Sorry about that. My headset cut out for a second. But yeah I I mean definitely it's it's something that you know you already did your research on. So the thing is with California Edison, right. It's a big. What if in regards to those rate increases, uh, simply because of everything that's happening right now. So I I don't like to give you numbers based on what ifs. Right. I like to give you based off facts and from what you're already doing, it sounds like you already have it under uh, you know, a dollar per dollar basis. Now it just all really depends on sitting with someone and seeing. If that number actually comes, you know, to fruition. Um, have you ever sat with someone before in regards to the Solar projects?
HOMEOWNER7:10
Oh, a number of times over the years, but on the PPA only, recently PPA. I've sat with someone from Sun Run and someone from Sundar and they're both, they're both coming in with pretty much the same numbers. Um,
AGENT10:52
Mhm.
HOMEOWNER7:35
And I you know, the the big sticking point for me right now is that $44 because the fact that it's it's going to the reduction in kilowatt hour cost is on the Edison side which will pretty much Wipe Out the 24. And the silver guy has to get it just pure, you know the full amount added to their monthly and they start at higher anyway, right? Because you're
AGENT7:41
Do you know how much you are averaging price per kilowatt right now? Like it, is there a baseline where you're at? For California? Edison.
HOMEOWNER7:47
On Edison right now. I believe I'm at about 35.
AGENT12:12pm
35. Okay.
HOMEOWNER7:53
because if you think this is a 38,
AGENT12:12pm
Yeah, hello.
HOMEOWNER8:18
Hello. Oh okay. Okay, give 1 it went silent. Yeah, so yes, third
AGENT12:12pm
So 3410.
HOMEOWNER8:31
34 cents is what it comes out to and I'm pretty consistent user. I mean the 380 a month is per. You know this this a pretty good number that's it doesn't vary much up or down. Yeah.
AGENT8:52
Yeah, okay. So uh yeah, I mean, if you're averaging right that 34 cents, let's just say the maximum they deduct off, it would be that 7, you're still at 27 cents. I know it's solar. You can get locked in anywhere from 17 to 22 cents. So like I mentioned, it's just a matter of fact of seeing which route works best for you so run you know they are fairly decent.
HOMEOWNER8:59
Well, if you could, if you can walk me in at 17 to 22, then we have something to talk about, but your competition is not willing to go anywhere close to that.
AGENT0:16
Yeah.
HOMEOWNER9:03
The lowest the competition is given me is like 25.
AGENT9:40
25 know. Yeah, I know for a fact that our company, we can definitely lock homeowners in anywhere from that 17 to 22 cents range. So, uh, I know that's something we can definitely do, it's just a matter of now, right? Sitting with you and seeing, if those numbers make sense because, uh, yeah, it, it's for California. Edison, we lock homeowners in between that 17 to 22 cents range. Uh, the size of the system, the type of panels, you get a little extra things like that. So that's depends on like exactly what you want, but I'm not the energy. Yeah, yeah. So you want that minimum 8 panel, plus the battery pack and the main panel unit upgrade.
HOMEOWNER9:55
Yeah, and the Babe paddle upgrade there. There is they they added that in to their numbers. So they they were, they, they came up with like 3700 or something to have it upgraded. And then, uh, they just divided it over 25 years and they came up with an extra 10 bucks a month on the
AGENT9:56
Gotcha, gotcha.
HOMEOWNER9:58
On on the, on the roughly. But, uh,
AGENT8:59
Well.
HOMEOWNER10:06
But yeah, but what company do you work with? And what is your, what, what happens if your company goes out of business? I guess I should ask you that. Well, whoever you represent.
AGENT10:31
I have a question. Yeah, no, good question. So what we are? We're a solar brokerage. So we connect you with the best Solar Company in your area, depending on, of course, reviews and installations and stuff like that. So we work with a handful of them, uh, we do work along with Sunrun. Uh, but that's not our main person that we do use. Uh, we've been in business with this other person for 30 plus years. So it's Paul metal light reach, we work with, we also work with Energy, Service Partners and a handful of others. But yeah. When the
HOMEOWNER10:35
Paul Meadow, Paul Meadows. The company that Sunrun Farms all their ppas out to
AGENT10:43
Oh, really? Yeah I I know I just connected with the best 1 in the area, the 1 that looks like it's in your area would be the Paul metal light reach.
HOMEOWNER10:58
See that. If you could do, if you could do 17 C, that would might cover the 24s. You know what I'm saying? Because you start out lower.
AGENT11:13
Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's why. Yeah, that's why I wanted to reach back out to you because I know we can get people within that range. So it's just a matter of right of speaking to the energy console and seeing exactly where you land now, in regards to the price per kilowatts. So if if you like day, I can definitely set
HOMEOWNER11:16
Do you, how does it make that decision, though? What's it going to make that decision based on?
AGENT11:27
Uh, again like I like I mentioned it's based on the system uh the type of brand that you want the type of wattage panel that you need and stuff like that. So I'm pretty sure you're well aware. Yeah, 200 watt panel, okay. Yeah, I mean
HOMEOWNER11:30
And and and I definitely want to Tesla battery. I don't want those interface things.
AGENT11:46
Gotcha. Okay, so that's the only thing we don't do our Tesla batteries. Um, the reason being we don't do Tesla batteries, they haven't been in the game for that long, so they're not proven yet. So if you know, you do want that Tesla battery. Unfortunately, we don't work with Tesla,
HOMEOWNER11:58
Well, here's my problem. I want to back up the whole house and and all the circuits except the air conditioning and I understand that and the Tesla they can do the Tesla battery. They can do that with the end face batteries. They can't.
AGENT12:21
Mhm. Well, I, I know what the different types of batteries that we provide. There's different tier packages to it. So depending on the tier that you choose, I believe it's above a tier 2 and higher that that's able to run your home right? In case of a blackout or anything like that. Tier 1 I believe doesn't do it but I'm not too sure that's something that the energy consultant knows a little more about but I know there's different tiers to the battery system.
HOMEOWNER0:16
No.
AGENT0:16
Yeah.
HOMEOWNER12:38
Well, I'm willing to talk to him, I guess, I mean, I, I've gone, like I said, I just recently, did pretty deep dives into both Sun Run and Sunder energy. Um, those were the 2 companies that I, that I've talked to within the last 2 weeks. Um,
AGENT0:16
Yeah.
HOMEOWNER13:12
Yeah, if the 24 bucks wasn't there it would be break even for me, but I'd be willing to do it for Break. Even because these that way I don't have to. Um right now I have a backup generator. I used to power like 5 or 6 circuits in my house so I wouldn't have to be like I did this weekend run outside at 4 a.m. in the morning and and and plug in my generator because, you know, would be a seamless switch over. So from that standpoint, it would be worth the effort but but I'm not my wife and I talked about it last night, you know, it's not
AGENT10:52
Mhm.
HOMEOWNER13:19
We're willing, we're willing to spend a little maybe lose a little money during the year.
AGENT9:56
Gotcha.
HOMEOWNER13:27
To have that. But but not when you feel that 24 bucks in because then all of a sudden we're losing, like, you know, 2 and 300 bucks a month and it doesn't worth it.
AGENT13:44
No, yeah, I completely agree. So I I mean definitely I'm on the same page as you, right? You want to see which 1 best works for you. So I can definitely go ahead and send someone out your way. Just to go ahead and break everything down for you and explain it. Um, would tomorrow work for you? Like, uh, around this time around 12:00 or 12:30
HOMEOWNER13:51
I yeah, I guess. I mean, he has to come out. He can't just talk to me on the phone, or
AGENT14:15
Yeah, he would need to come out simply because they break everything down right there in front of you and they want to show you right there in person, right? Because a little bit they they could potentially do it over the phone, but the thing is things get lost in translation numbers do and everything like that. So in home would be best roughly right? You know how long they take around that 45 minute duration, sometimes a little longer but uh roughly that's how long the consultations usually lasts so I can definitely help you.
HOMEOWNER14:17
Yeah, yeah, I can do it tomorrow but let's do it. But let's do it at, um,
AGENT14:48
Oh yeah, 1:00. Let me just double check here. The schedule for you. Don't want to, you know, cram you in. So let me see. Yeah, I I could do tomorrow at 1 1 s.
HOMEOWNER14:51
How do I give you a thumbs up? Just reply back?
AGENT15:07
Yeah, just reply back. You know you can just say like oh receive stuff like that. Yeah. I usually just tell people give me a thumbs up so they don't have to type anything but yeah that that's usually yeah. Okay, all right Jake perfect. I mean I can definitely do this for you. I do just want to make sure we got the right address here. So what would be the correct address for you?
HOMEOWNER15:11
29.90 Reservoir Drive.
AGENT15:17
Okay, gotcha, perfect then. And then, of course, no trees or anything blocking the roof and the roof's in good standing condition.
HOMEOWNER15:30
No, it the roof's in good condition and I'm going to keep it simple for them. I want to put them all in the front of my garage, which is, which is west facing. I don't have any south facing and, uh, so it's being easy install because everything's right there.
AGENT15:54
Gotcha. Okay, perfect. And yeah, I could definitely go ahead and do that for you and I'm pretty sure your credit score is above 650 since you already looking in with other companies. Correct. Okay. Gotcha, perfect. Then. All right. Jay, so I'll send you a text message shortly. Then uh it's going to be set for tomorrow at 1. I do just want to make sure that 1 pm time frame is good for you simply because it is a right first come first serve. So I just want to make sure 1 is good.
HOMEOWNER15:58
Yeah, no, 1 Works. Uh, I have to, I have to leave here about 2:15, so he needs to be on time.
AGENT16:01
Gotcha. No. Yeah, I'll make sure they're on time. Don't worry about that. J.
HOMEOWNER12:20pm
Okay, thanks.
AGENT16:07
Okay, sounds good. Do you have yourself a great day? I'll send you that text Mr. Shortly, we look forward to meeting you tomorrow at 1.
HOMEOWNER12:20pm
Okay, bye.
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